Are these righties serious, hypocrites, or from beyond the grave?
Posted by Dave Bath on 2009-10-10
Asking for minimal tweaks to a communist state for righties to have a tolerable life got a couple of responses – but these seem hypocritical as the respondents should have euthanazed themselves rather than live in any country on the planet.
Consider the responses I would have had if I’d asked about minimal health requirements for a tolerable life that would stop the necessity of suicide? The analogous responses would have demanded as minimal the ability to run a three minute mile, leap small buildings in a single bound, and the intellect of Einstein.
I’m hoping more moderate righties will respond to the question. If you look through the comments, you’ll see I’ve taken a respectful line to their stated needs, and tried to indicate accomodations that might satisfy their underlying psychologies.
Perhaps those righties aren’t hypocrites, but are using the internet from beyond this mortal coil, using a form of electronic ouija!
Compare and contrast my brief response to a question in a Catallaxy open thread, "what lefties would want in a libertarian state with almost no government intrusion at all other than say basic policing and military", that is, what would I consider minimum tolerable tweaks to a system as rightie as my hypothetical communist state. I think kept to the spirit of the question:
Good idea. If a natural-born catallaxian (I’m treating my visits as a guest) can outline the kind of hypothetical libertarian state in about the same number of dot points as I did, then I’ll try and answer it… although it’s probably worth one of you creating a post that’ll either ping back, or drop a comment on my original post that points to your post.
But at a brief /guess/ as to the hypothetical libertarian state with just policing and military, and apart from "safety nets", I’d probably be looking at fair contracts provisions (preventing the powerless from losing essential rights in the fine print), libel/slander regs (although not so broad as currently interpreted), truth-in-advertising, and (in a contract-mad world) some low-cost dispute resolution services (that try to reach a mutually agreeable settlement and avoid escalation to the adversarial thingy if possible). That’s what comes to mind immediately, but not necessarily the most important.
Now, will any "rightie" blogs put up a post similar to mine, but asking the opposite question, a question that provides an outline of their hypothetical rightie state with a similar level of detail as mine? Or do I have to post that question myself?
Mind you, I’d probably cop criticism for describing a rightie state with dot points that were either irrelevant to rightie views, a horrible mish-mash of contradictory rightie views, or so outrageous I was setting it up for a fail.
So, a few questions…
- To lefties and centrists:
- What do you think of the responses to my hypothetical?
- What do you think of the lack of a serious attempt to pose a similar hypothetical to lefties (or centrists)?
- Do you think lefties would try and answer a mirror-image hypothetical from the right in a more accomodating fashion than the righties have done so far?
- To moderate righties: (Comments to the previous post)
- Do you care to soften the image of "Teh Right" by playing the game and describe tweaks necessary for you?
- Care to develop your own game for lefties?
- To far righties: (Comments to the previous post)
- Care to actually be specific enough about a hypothetical rightie state in your own post and ask for lefty responses?
- Care to give more measured responses to my questions, responses that don’t go more extreme than the status quo in Australia (respondents outside Australia shouldn’t go more extreme than their own countries)?
- Or will the righties continue to imply that the conditions they are currently subject to are intolerable, and to avoid hypocrisy, must top themselves?
This is a serious set of posts, trying to understand the personal needs of individuals on the right, and get the left thinking about ways of providing for those needs.
So far, responses suggest that it’s possibly only the left (and centrists, and rightie moderates) who want to satisfy the needs of others, who express those genes developed in response to tens of thousands of years of living in communities.