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		<title>Comment on Social networking - but not for dummies by Dave Bath</title>
		<link>http://balneus.wordpress.com/2008/07/17/social-networking-but-not-for-dummies/#comment-8570</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Bath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>p.s. when I commented about the Oz version of the citizenship test, and about needing to know Bradman was a cricketer, Rohn responded with a beauty......

"Cricketer – is that some sort of insect fancier?"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>p.s. when I commented about the Oz version of the citizenship test, and about needing to know Bradman was a cricketer, Rohn responded with a beauty&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Cricketer – is that some sort of insect fancier?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sen John and Premier Joh - a tale of two FOIs by The Continuing Benefits of a Labor Government : Tree of Knowledge</title>
		<link>http://balneus.wordpress.com/2008/07/23/sen-john-and-premier-joh-a-tale-of-two-fois/#comment-8518</link>
		<dc:creator>The Continuing Benefits of a Labor Government : Tree of Knowledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Bath likes the government&#8217;s new FOI reforms.       [?]  Share [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Otways Carbon Capture: Dumb idea? by Dave Bath</title>
		<link>http://balneus.wordpress.com/2008/05/25/otways-carbon-capture-dumb-idea/#comment-8517</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Bath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Related &lt;em&gt;&#34;Scientific American Articles&#34;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; ... one old, one new:

A counter view, that lots of small earthquakes can help seal sequestered carbon, has been reported since my post on &lt;em&gt;Scientific American&lt;/em&gt; (2008-07-14).  (Gotta point to decent rebuttals, updates and clarifications - I'm not omniscient!).
&lt;a href="http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=undersea-carbon-capture-and-storage" rel="nofollow"&gt;Out of Sight, Out of Clime: Burying Carbon In a Vault of Sea and Rock&lt;/a&gt; 
&lt;blockquote&gt;The best place to store all that carbon dioxide from power plants might turn out to be volcanic formations off the U.S. west coast&#160; .... &#160;Such technologies have been demonstrated on a small scale to enhance the recovery of oil from tapped out fields;&#160; pumping down the CO2 pushes up more of the black gold.&#160; But geophysicist David Goldberg of Columbia University's Lamont–Doherty Earth Observatory in Palisades, N.Y., and his colleagues found that pumping such CO2 into basalt rock beneath the ocean floor might be a better solution.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Mind you, an earlier (2007-05-14) Sci Am Article &#34;&lt;a href="http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=future-of-clean-coal-tied-to-success-of-carbon-capture-and-storage" rel="nofollow"&gt;Future of 'clean coal' power tied to (Uncertain) success of carbon capture and storage&lt;/a&gt;&#34; points to other worries (and I DIDN'T add quotes and braces in the title of this article, although bolding in the following quote is mine:
&lt;blockquote&gt;The difficulty is capturing it at the power plant without sapping too much energy or pushing electric costs up too high...  &lt;strong&gt;Adding carbon capture technology to that plant sucks up 40 percent of the power it can produce&lt;/strong&gt; and adds at least 2.7 cents to the retail price of that electricity.&#160; .... But even the small projects are already turning up surprises, such as the relative permeability of various rocks and the ability of CO2 to mix with saline and form carbonic acid, which eats away surrounding rock. And, of course, no one knows exactly how long the carbon dioxide could be contained.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Related <em>&quot;Scientific American Articles&quot;</em></strong> &#8230; one old, one new:</p>
<p>A counter view, that lots of small earthquakes can help seal sequestered carbon, has been reported since my post on <em>Scientific American</em> (2008-07-14).  (Gotta point to decent rebuttals, updates and clarifications - I&#8217;m not omniscient!).<br />
<a href="http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=undersea-carbon-capture-and-storage" rel="nofollow">Out of Sight, Out of Clime: Burying Carbon In a Vault of Sea and Rock</a> </p>
<blockquote><p>The best place to store all that carbon dioxide from power plants might turn out to be volcanic formations off the U.S. west coast&nbsp; &#8230;. &nbsp;Such technologies have been demonstrated on a small scale to enhance the recovery of oil from tapped out fields;&nbsp; pumping down the CO2 pushes up more of the black gold.&nbsp; But geophysicist David Goldberg of Columbia University&#8217;s Lamont–Doherty Earth Observatory in Palisades, N.Y., and his colleagues found that pumping such CO2 into basalt rock beneath the ocean floor might be a better solution.</p></blockquote>
<p>Mind you, an earlier (2007-05-14) Sci Am Article &quot;<a href="http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=future-of-clean-coal-tied-to-success-of-carbon-capture-and-storage" rel="nofollow">Future of &#8216;clean coal&#8217; power tied to (Uncertain) success of carbon capture and storage</a>&quot; points to other worries (and I DIDN&#8217;T add quotes and braces in the title of this article, although bolding in the following quote is mine:</p>
<blockquote><p>The difficulty is capturing it at the power plant without sapping too much energy or pushing electric costs up too high&#8230;  <strong>Adding carbon capture technology to that plant sucks up 40 percent of the power it can produce</strong> and adds at least 2.7 cents to the retail price of that electricity.&nbsp; &#8230;. But even the small projects are already turning up surprises, such as the relative permeability of various rocks and the ability of CO2 to mix with saline and form carbonic acid, which eats away surrounding rock. And, of course, no one knows exactly how long the carbon dioxide could be contained.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Comment on 2020 Submission: Topic 9: Australian Governance by Sen John and Premier Joh - a tale of two FOIs &#171; Balneus</title>
		<link>http://balneus.wordpress.com/2008/04/05/2020-gabfest-submission-topic-9-australian-governance/#comment-8516</link>
		<dc:creator>Sen John and Premier Joh - a tale of two FOIs &#171; Balneus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 2020 Gabfest Submission: Topic 9: Australian Governance&#34; (2008-04-05) - look for the subheading &#34;B: Improved utility and availability of government information&#34; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 2020 Gabfest Submission: Topic 9: Australian Governance&quot; (2008-04-05) - look for the subheading &quot;B: Improved utility and availability of government information&quot; [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on The brain shrinkage they DIDN&#8217;T mention by Club Troppo &#187; Missing Link Daily</title>
		<link>http://balneus.wordpress.com/2008/06/16/the-brain-shrinkage-they-didnt-mention/#comment-8477</link>
		<dc:creator>Club Troppo &#187; Missing Link Daily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 22:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] down his throat, particularly because it was the government mandating the program.Dave Bath looks past the media hype on long-term cannabis use and provides a few facts the media didn&#8217;t bother to [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Unjustifiable detention: Oz is one of the worst by Club Troppo &#187; Missing Link Daily</title>
		<link>http://balneus.wordpress.com/2008/06/13/unjustifiable-detention-oz-is-one-of-the-worst/#comment-8476</link>
		<dc:creator>Club Troppo &#187; Missing Link Daily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 22:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dave Bath has found some sobering statistics on detention without trial. [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on New Vic Auditor Reports (Not Happy Jan) by Club Troppo &#187; Missing Link Daily</title>
		<link>http://balneus.wordpress.com/2008/06/11/new-vic-auditor-reports-not-happy-jan/#comment-8474</link>
		<dc:creator>Club Troppo &#187; Missing Link Daily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 22:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dave Bath takes the pith out of the Victorian Auditor-General&#8217;s report to Parliament. [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Indigenous health and clinical trial protocols by Club Troppo &#187; Missing Link Daily</title>
		<link>http://balneus.wordpress.com/2008/05/21/indigenous-health-and-clinical-trial-protocols/#comment-8470</link>
		<dc:creator>Club Troppo &#187; Missing Link Daily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Bahnisch wonders if he missed the immigration debate. Dave Bath suggests medical research on health problems specific to indigenous Australians would be a good idea.  Kim gives plaudits to Ross Gittins&#8217; latest article on the whingeing [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Bahnisch wonders if he missed the immigration debate. Dave Bath suggests medical research on health problems specific to indigenous Australians would be a good idea.  Kim gives plaudits to Ross Gittins&#8217; latest article on the whingeing [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Only a third of US biology teachers stand up for science by Club Troppo &#187; Missing Link Daily</title>
		<link>http://balneus.wordpress.com/2008/05/20/only-a-third-of-us-biology-teachers-stand-up-for-science/#comment-8469</link>
		<dc:creator>Club Troppo &#187; Missing Link Daily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dave Bath is disappointed with US biology teachers. [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Spam RSS more informative than politicians by Club Troppo &#187; Missing Link Daily</title>
		<link>http://balneus.wordpress.com/2008/04/27/spam-rss-more-informative-than-politicians/#comment-8467</link>
		<dc:creator>Club Troppo &#187; Missing Link Daily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dave Bath finds spam more informative than media releases from politicians. [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Progressives for theocracy? by Club Troppo &#187; Missing Link Anzac edition</title>
		<link>http://balneus.wordpress.com/2008/04/24/progressives-for-theocracy/#comment-8466</link>
		<dc:creator>Club Troppo &#187; Missing Link Anzac edition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] arguments.Time for a quick Olympic Torch Relay round up - from Jeremy to Jim Belshaw to gandhi to Dave Bath to John Quiggin and back to Jeremy again. The result - a nil-all propaganda draw between The West [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] arguments.Time for a quick Olympic Torch Relay round up - from Jeremy to Jim Belshaw to gandhi to Dave Bath to John Quiggin and back to Jeremy again. The result - a nil-all propaganda draw between The West [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mushrooms by Club Troppo &#187; Missing Link Daily</title>
		<link>http://balneus.wordpress.com/2008/04/22/mushrooms/#comment-8465</link>
		<dc:creator>Club Troppo &#187; Missing Link Daily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Bath77. GT: A man, of at least middle age. [↩]  doesn&#8217;t take kindly to the possibility of cutbacks at the [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Preventing debt crises like feeding a 3 year old by Club Troppo &#187; Missing Link Daily</title>
		<link>http://balneus.wordpress.com/2008/04/22/preventing-debt-crises-like-feeding-a-3-year-old/#comment-8464</link>
		<dc:creator>Club Troppo &#187; Missing Link Daily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  Dave Bath suggests it&#8217;s time for governments to start treating financiers like three-year-olds. [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Consultation on mental health and employment strategy by Club Troppo &#187; Missing Link Daily</title>
		<link>http://balneus.wordpress.com/2008/04/18/consultation-on-mental-health-and-employment-strategy/#comment-8463</link>
		<dc:creator>Club Troppo &#187; Missing Link Daily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dave Bath has found another community consultation you might want to write to. [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Homeopathy awareness week&#8230; haw haw! by Club Troppo &#187; Missing Link Daily</title>
		<link>http://balneus.wordpress.com/2008/04/16/homepathy-awareness-week-hah/#comment-8462</link>
		<dc:creator>Club Troppo &#187; Missing Link Daily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dave Bath gives short shrift to homeopathy.    Enter your email address to receive Missing Link in your email inbox: [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on The skills truly lacking&#8230; by Club Troppo &#187; Missing Link Daily</title>
		<link>http://balneus.wordpress.com/2008/04/16/the-skills-truly-lacking/#comment-8461</link>
		<dc:creator>Club Troppo &#187; Missing Link Daily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Skills shortage or crap management?Robert Merkel does his defence spending thing again. [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Privacy Commissioner Consultation by Club Troppo &#187; Missing Link Daily</title>
		<link>http://balneus.wordpress.com/2008/04/16/privacy-commissioner-consultation/#comment-8460</link>
		<dc:creator>Club Troppo &#187; Missing Link Daily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Kimberley Communities are to get faster broadband.The Liberal Party - still flogging a lame duck.Dave &#8220;The Dominator&#8221; Bath wants you to submit, once again - this time to a NSW Privacy Commission consultation.Ken Lovell [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Kimberley Communities are to get faster broadband.The Liberal Party - still flogging a lame duck.Dave &#8220;The Dominator&#8221; Bath wants you to submit, once again - this time to a NSW Privacy Commission consultation.Ken Lovell [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Market balls to blame? by Club Troppo &#187; Missing Link Daily</title>
		<link>http://balneus.wordpress.com/2008/04/15/market-balls-to-blame/#comment-8459</link>
		<dc:creator>Club Troppo &#187; Missing Link Daily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Bath is intrigued by the possibility that testosterone drives financial markets. No doubt someone will come up with a way to test this experimentally, using vervet monkeys or [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on GOYA: Gabfest online submissions about to close by Club Troppo &#187; Time&#8217;s Nearly Up</title>
		<link>http://balneus.wordpress.com/2008/04/04/goya-gabfest-online-submissions-about-to-close/#comment-8458</link>
		<dc:creator>Club Troppo &#187; Time&#8217;s Nearly Up</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Via Dave Bath comes a reminder that the deadline for open submissions to the 2020 kilochat is coming on Wednesday. If you&#8217;re not Troppo&#8217;s own Nicholas Gruen but still have a few good ideas to throw in the pot, head over to the website and place your ideas on the record. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Via Dave Bath comes a reminder that the deadline for open submissions to the 2020 kilochat is coming on Wednesday. If you&#8217;re not Troppo&#8217;s own Nicholas Gruen but still have a few good ideas to throw in the pot, head over to the website and place your ideas on the record. [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on H5N1: Politicians and people just don&#8217;t get it by Club Troppo &#187; Missing Link Daily</title>
		<link>http://balneus.wordpress.com/2008/04/01/h5n1-politicians-and-people-just-dont-get-it/#comment-8457</link>
		<dc:creator>Club Troppo &#187; Missing Link Daily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] David Bath thinks it&#8217;s time we woke up to the possible social problems H5N1 could cause. [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on An inquiry the pollies need - but we don&#8217;t by Jacques Chester</title>
		<link>http://balneus.wordpress.com/2008/07/17/an-inquiry-the-pollies-need-but-we-dont/#comment-8431</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacques Chester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 03:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree. No amount of lobbying or explaining is a substitute for understanding.

What we need is less lawyers and more scientists, engineers, mathematicians, programmers and the like. 

The only reason CFCs got banned was because Thatcher talked Regan into it. And that only happened because Thatcher held a chemistry degree and &lt;em&gt;understood the science&lt;/em&gt; rather than getting doses of lobbying from all sides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree. No amount of lobbying or explaining is a substitute for understanding.</p>
<p>What we need is less lawyers and more scientists, engineers, mathematicians, programmers and the like. </p>
<p>The only reason CFCs got banned was because Thatcher talked Regan into it. And that only happened because Thatcher held a chemistry degree and <em>understood the science</em> rather than getting doses of lobbying from all sides.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Social networking - but not for dummies by Social networking - but not for dummies</title>
		<link>http://balneus.wordpress.com/2008/07/17/social-networking-but-not-for-dummies/#comment-8429</link>
		<dc:creator>Social networking - but not for dummies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] [Read original] Tags: adventures, All Sorts, Art Scene, Best Friend, Citizenship Test, Dummies, Gap, Gap Adventures, Gems, Interesting Stuff, Linkedin, London, Mind The Gap, Recent Articles, Rohn, Sci, Social Networking Site, Socializer, Student Science, Uk Citizenship [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on KRudd&#8217;s ETS in The Economist and FT by Raf</title>
		<link>http://balneus.wordpress.com/2008/07/17/krudds-ets-in-the-economist-and-ft/#comment-8426</link>
		<dc:creator>Raf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 04:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let's be honest no one wants to take the action that is needed. Its take with one hand and give back with the other. Surely nobody is fooled by these approaches. Will they reduce global greenhouse gas emissions? Nope. 

So why bother then? It's just another bureaucratic mess. 

Of course one could try this simple course of action

http://sustento.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/climate-control.pdf

We will end up having to take the same approach with water and money for that matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s be honest no one wants to take the action that is needed. Its take with one hand and give back with the other. Surely nobody is fooled by these approaches. Will they reduce global greenhouse gas emissions? Nope. </p>
<p>So why bother then? It&#8217;s just another bureaucratic mess. </p>
<p>Of course one could try this simple course of action</p>
<p><a href="http://sustento.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/climate-control.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://sustento.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/climate-control.pdf</a></p>
<p>We will end up having to take the same approach with water and money for that matter.</p>
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		<dc:creator>eSecurity Review &#171; Balneus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Powerplug turn-offs ineffective, possibly unsafe by Dave Bath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Bath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any government???

Ahem.... &lt;a href="http://balneus.wordpress.com/2007/03/11/if-only-castro-had-run-the-world-not-just-cuba/" rel="nofollow"&gt;This&lt;/a&gt; points to data (much of it from the CIA) indicating ONE country (and only one) meets both UNDP minimum human development and environmental requirements.  Data a bit old, but this the following speech is more recent, and less data-intensive....

Take the following snippet from "New Economics Foundation", part of &lt;a href="http://www.neweconomics.org/gen/endingpovertyinacarbonconstrainedworld.aspx" rel="nofollow"&gt;this speech&lt;/a&gt;....
&lt;strong&gt;&#34;We can learn from Cuba, nef tells the UN&#34;&lt;/strong&gt;
Cuba has already faced the energy, climate and credit crunch, and we can learn from their experience nef policy director, Andrew Simms, told a special session of the UN on the impact of climate change on human development.

The success of small farms, and urban farms and gardens was at the heart of the transistion after 1990, when Cuban oil imports dropped by more than half, and the use of chemicals and fertilisers dropped by 80 per cent. Immediate crisis was averted by food programmes that targetted the most vulnerable, and a rationing programme that guaranteed a minimum amount of food to everyone. The threat of serious food shortages was overome within five years, demonstrating that is it possible to feed a population under extreme economic stress, with very few fossil fuels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any government???</p>
<p>Ahem&#8230;. <a href="http://balneus.wordpress.com/2007/03/11/if-only-castro-had-run-the-world-not-just-cuba/" rel="nofollow">This</a> points to data (much of it from the CIA) indicating ONE country (and only one) meets both UNDP minimum human development and environmental requirements.  Data a bit old, but this the following speech is more recent, and less data-intensive&#8230;.</p>
<p>Take the following snippet from &#8220;New Economics Foundation&#8221;, part of <a href="http://www.neweconomics.org/gen/endingpovertyinacarbonconstrainedworld.aspx" rel="nofollow">this speech</a>&#8230;.<br />
<strong>&quot;We can learn from Cuba, nef tells the UN&quot;</strong><br />
Cuba has already faced the energy, climate and credit crunch, and we can learn from their experience nef policy director, Andrew Simms, told a special session of the UN on the impact of climate change on human development.</p>
<p>The success of small farms, and urban farms and gardens was at the heart of the transistion after 1990, when Cuban oil imports dropped by more than half, and the use of chemicals and fertilisers dropped by 80 per cent. Immediate crisis was averted by food programmes that targetted the most vulnerable, and a rationing programme that guaranteed a minimum amount of food to everyone. The threat of serious food shortages was overome within five years, demonstrating that is it possible to feed a population under extreme economic stress, with very few fossil fuels.</p>
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		<link>http://balneus.wordpress.com/2007/03/11/if-only-castro-had-run-the-world-not-just-cuba/#comment-8419</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Bath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See &lt;a href="http://www.neweconomics.org/gen/endingpovertyinacarbonconstrainedworld.aspx" rel="nofollow"&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; speech by Andrew Simms, policy director and head of the climate change programme at nef (the new economics foundation), to the UN ECOSOC special session on climate change and the MDGS, New York, 2 May 2008.

Snippet from my nef newsletter had the following abstract.
We can learn from Cuba, nef tells the UN
Cuba has already faced the energy, climate and credit crunch, and we can learn from their experience nef policy director, Andrew Simms, told a special session of the UN on the impact of climate change on human development.

The success of small farms, and urban farms and gardens was at the heart of the transistion after 1990, when Cuban oil imports dropped by more than half, and the use of chemicals and fertilisers dropped by 80 per cent. Immediate crisis was averted by food programmes that targetted the most vulnerable, and a rationing programme that guaranteed a minimum amount of food to everyone. The threat of serious food shortages was overome within five years, demonstrating that is it possible to feed a population under extreme economic stress, with very few fossil fuels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See <a href="http://www.neweconomics.org/gen/endingpovertyinacarbonconstrainedworld.aspx" rel="nofollow">this</a> speech by Andrew Simms, policy director and head of the climate change programme at nef (the new economics foundation), to the UN ECOSOC special session on climate change and the MDGS, New York, 2 May 2008.</p>
<p>Snippet from my nef newsletter had the following abstract.<br />
We can learn from Cuba, nef tells the UN<br />
Cuba has already faced the energy, climate and credit crunch, and we can learn from their experience nef policy director, Andrew Simms, told a special session of the UN on the impact of climate change on human development.</p>
<p>The success of small farms, and urban farms and gardens was at the heart of the transistion after 1990, when Cuban oil imports dropped by more than half, and the use of chemicals and fertilisers dropped by 80 per cent. Immediate crisis was averted by food programmes that targetted the most vulnerable, and a rationing programme that guaranteed a minimum amount of food to everyone. The threat of serious food shortages was overome within five years, demonstrating that is it possible to feed a population under extreme economic stress, with very few fossil fuels.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Powerplug turn-offs ineffective, possibly unsafe by zombinol</title>
		<link>http://balneus.wordpress.com/2008/07/16/powerplug-turnoffs-ineffective-possibly-unsafe/#comment-8418</link>
		<dc:creator>zombinol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's not as if the majority of power consumption does not occur in the domestic market.

It's not as if Industry could use electricity more efficiently.

It's not as if the insane proliferation of energy hungry computer servers and storage arrays could be controlled by responsible buyers like government.

It's not as if more consumption services the national debt.

It's not s if we really need to burn brown coal.

It's not as if any government any where ever cared.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not as if the majority of power consumption does not occur in the domestic market.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not as if Industry could use electricity more efficiently.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not as if the insane proliferation of energy hungry computer servers and storage arrays could be controlled by responsible buyers like government.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not as if more consumption services the national debt.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not s if we really need to burn brown coal.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not as if any government any where ever cared.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Inconvenient economics by zombinol</title>
		<link>http://balneus.wordpress.com/2008/07/16/inconvenient-economics/#comment-8417</link>
		<dc:creator>zombinol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it the NSW Parliament or the NSW Labor party at play here? From my limited knowledge the NSW Government is a misnomer, what exactly is the NSW Government? how would you sue it, its a fiction, just like the Australian Government, who authorise a lot of propoganda!

So whoever it is that is levelling $5K fines is obviously not very Christian, what about turning the other cheek!

In the Sermon on the Mount in the Gospel of Matthew, Jesus says:

    You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.' But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.
    —Matthew 5:38-42, NIV

A parallel version is offered in the Sermon on the Plain in the Gospel of Luke:

    But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you.
    —Luke 6:27-31. NIV

These passages are viewed as promoting nonresistance, pacifism or nonviolence.

The Pope and Pell must be fuming at the laws or don't they care as a good Christian shouldn't!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it the NSW Parliament or the NSW Labor party at play here? From my limited knowledge the NSW Government is a misnomer, what exactly is the NSW Government? how would you sue it, its a fiction, just like the Australian Government, who authorise a lot of propoganda!</p>
<p>So whoever it is that is levelling $5K fines is obviously not very Christian, what about turning the other cheek!</p>
<p>In the Sermon on the Mount in the Gospel of Matthew, Jesus says:</p>
<p>    You have heard that it was said, &#8216;An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.&#8217; But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.<br />
    —Matthew 5:38-42, NIV</p>
<p>A parallel version is offered in the Sermon on the Plain in the Gospel of Luke:</p>
<p>    But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you.<br />
    —Luke 6:27-31. NIV</p>
<p>These passages are viewed as promoting nonresistance, pacifism or nonviolence.</p>
<p>The Pope and Pell must be fuming at the laws or don&#8217;t they care as a good Christian shouldn&#8217;t!</p>
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		<link>http://balneus.wordpress.com/2007/05/25/cyberwarfare-the-economist-catches-up-to-me/#comment-8401</link>
		<dc:creator>eSecurity Review &#171; Balneus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] CyberAttacks in 2001 (see &#34;What to do when the chips are down&#34; 2007-05-22 and &#34;Cyberwarfare - The Economist catches up to me&#34; 2007-05-22)    Posted in Australia, Governance, Information Management, [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Pell&#8217;s comments could be welcomed by rationalists by zombinol</title>
		<link>http://balneus.wordpress.com/2008/07/15/pells-comments-could-be-welcomed-by-rationalists/#comment-8400</link>
		<dc:creator>zombinol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On an economic front, the Holy See being the treasurer of the Vatican bank is probably concerned with news from the marketing department given that sales (Souls) are down. The marketing department (Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith) made all those new localised sales pitches (Rescripts of formula in Code of Canon Law, like less damnation etc..) and new brands (Saints) but the customers (faithful) are not attending the shop (church) to make a purchases (donation). But a world tour should do the trick, it works for Bono and Madonna, so why not the pied piper Rat-Singer.

Arian baby factories sure why not, you see the more people in a country, the more tax payed, so the more tax relief those poor church coffers can enjoy. 

The Vatican Bank which relies on the Purple Economy is what is at risk.

"Max Wallice argues the separation of secular authority from supernatural authority should be understood as the first separation of powers in a democracy, prior to, and equivalent to, the separation between the executive, legislature and judiciary. 

The failure of democracies to fully realise this distinction constitutionally has seen churches become immensely wealthy as a consequence of their centuries old tax-exempt status as charities that 'advance religion.' Their wealth is now a recognisable financial phenomenon"

Now it was the Howard government that made it illegal for a student to be forced to pay the University Union Fees, fair enough I think.

So my taxes are subsidising the Tax Free sector and I am forced to pay, how does that work, Why don't I get a choice, like in Germany that provides a tax refund if you don't support the Purple Economy!

So yes more people any kind of people; donations or not, just as long as they are paying tax the church is safe and secure.

Sorry just a bit of silliness - Also if a holy consecrated church which is usually at the beginning donated to the church is sold (obviously because the church needs the profit to do gods work) does the ground get un-consecrated, excommunicated or made un-holy? of is it perpetually holy, if so and I buy a church and live there can I declare that I am sovereign by virtue of the god given holiness of land that I now own and stand on and refuse to pay taxes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On an economic front, the Holy See being the treasurer of the Vatican bank is probably concerned with news from the marketing department given that sales (Souls) are down. The marketing department (Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith) made all those new localised sales pitches (Rescripts of formula in Code of Canon Law, like less damnation etc..) and new brands (Saints) but the customers (faithful) are not attending the shop (church) to make a purchases (donation). But a world tour should do the trick, it works for Bono and Madonna, so why not the pied piper Rat-Singer.</p>
<p>Arian baby factories sure why not, you see the more people in a country, the more tax payed, so the more tax relief those poor church coffers can enjoy. </p>
<p>The Vatican Bank which relies on the Purple Economy is what is at risk.</p>
<p>&#8220;Max Wallice argues the separation of secular authority from supernatural authority should be understood as the first separation of powers in a democracy, prior to, and equivalent to, the separation between the executive, legislature and judiciary. </p>
<p>The failure of democracies to fully realise this distinction constitutionally has seen churches become immensely wealthy as a consequence of their centuries old tax-exempt status as charities that &#8216;advance religion.&#8217; Their wealth is now a recognisable financial phenomenon&#8221;</p>
<p>Now it was the Howard government that made it illegal for a student to be forced to pay the University Union Fees, fair enough I think.</p>
<p>So my taxes are subsidising the Tax Free sector and I am forced to pay, how does that work, Why don&#8217;t I get a choice, like in Germany that provides a tax refund if you don&#8217;t support the Purple Economy!</p>
<p>So yes more people any kind of people; donations or not, just as long as they are paying tax the church is safe and secure.</p>
<p>Sorry just a bit of silliness - Also if a holy consecrated church which is usually at the beginning donated to the church is sold (obviously because the church needs the profit to do gods work) does the ground get un-consecrated, excommunicated or made un-holy? of is it perpetually holy, if so and I buy a church and live there can I declare that I am sovereign by virtue of the god given holiness of land that I now own and stand on and refuse to pay taxes?</p>
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