Australian Lefty on Politics, Governance, Science and Info Management

Nuvur Furgut New Zealund ANZACs

Posted by Dave Bath on 2008-04-26

Why were there so few New Zealand flags around Australian Anzac Day commemorations?  And we talk of "mateship" as a value!  Lest we forget, indeed!

I certainly expected a large organization with slick promotional staff and lots of money like the AFL to be able to afford one when I watched the Cats play the Painters and Dockers last night.  I’ve certainly noticed Australian flags in coverage of some Anzac services in past years held in NZ.

And what about KRudd?  Did he mention New Zealand in his Anzac Day address? (See below the fold for my suggested edits.)

How different from NZ MP’s!  Phil Goff (Defence Minister) gave the main address at the Aukland War Memorial, which included the following:

It was at Gallipoli too that New Zealanders first stood shoulder to shoulder with their Australian cousins, beginning a strong Anzac tradition which continues today in Timor Leste, the Soloman Islands and Afghanistan.

Kiwis talk of standing shoulder-to-shoulder with us.  We turn our back on them. reports the media release of the NZ National Library:

The first Anzac Day was on 25 April 1916, a year after the Australian and New Zealand Army Corps (ANZACs) landed at Gallipoli in Turkey during World War I.
On Anzac Day this week, we commemorate all New Zealanders and Australians who have served in a military campaign.
Images, articles and multimedia recordings of New Zealand and Australian war experiences are easily accessible on the Matapihi, Te Ao Hou, Publications New Zealand and Timeframes websites.

Am I right about this absence?  If I’m correct, and no other Australians are annoyed, then this suggests we are up ourselves as a nation.

There has been a lot of self-congratulation about "Never forget Australia" in French schools.  It’s a pity we so rarely show even minimal courtesy to our friends across the ditch.

My suggested edits to Rudd’s speech

These are the values which summoned forth the sons and daughters of ANZAC over the last 100 years from our smallest towns, our greatest cities and our most remote outback as well as across the Tasman.

A people also alert to the needs of our friends and allies especially our New Zealand cousins who share the intimacy of the ANZAC experience..

Notes/See Also:

  • "An ANZAC address I’d like to hear" (2007-04-24) – hopefully not quite as relevant now that Howard has gone.
  • To those surprised by my mention of sport: quite a few Cats players were close friends of the family, which is how I was able to snare a part-time job with the club during my uni days.
  • And no, I have no NZ relatives, although a lot of my relatives over here ran sheep and dairy.
  • UPDATE: has just posted a few minutes ago (2008-04-27 18:48 AEST) something unbelievably crass: Kiwis (including a granddaughter of a kiwi who died at Gallipoli) barred from attending the unveiling of the statue of a kiwi soldier in Sydney.

9 Responses to “Nuvur Furgut New Zealund ANZACs”

  1. Brett said

    A Kiwi raised this issue at my blog, so you’re not the only one to have noticed this.

  2. Dave Bath said

    I want to see a kiwi TV reporter or politician ask Rudd about this on camera and watch him squirm… like a guy who asked his mates to celebrate his anniversary by a night on the town with his mates but forgot to invite the wife.

    “Uuuuh, sorry, I forgot” doesn’t quite cut it with Anzac day!

    Actually, I’d rather see an Australian reporter do the confrontation. That would give me some hope that we as a nation are not simply Southern Hemisphere egocentric yanks.

  3. saint said

    There was a joint Aussie-NZ service at Gallipoli

  4. Duncan said

    When I moved to Australia from NZ I had people asking me if New Zealanders celebrated ANZAC Day. When I suggested that the day gave opportunity for celebrating international cooperation I was resented for downplaying the patriotic nature of the day for Australians.

    New Zealanders seem to be aware of Australia in the same way that Australians have been aware of the United States. It’s a bit like big brother, little brother, smaller brother.

  5. Dave Bath said

    You are kidding me with the “resenting” bit right? That’s gotta be some kind of kiwi joke (perhaps the <sarcasm> markup wasn’t working </sarcasm> )?

    I guess we’ve gotta say that for those troglodytic ozzy ozzy ozzy oi oi oi-ers, patriotism=parochialism!

    There’s something to be said for the idea that those bogans should be allowed to treat seat belts, crash helmets, and vaccinations as optional.

    It’s possibly as I feared, the last place decent Australian values still exist is in New Zealand.

    (And for this lefty, I love the red stars on the flag!)

  6. Graham Bell said

    David Bath:

    Well, I’m one Australian who is also very pissed off at leaving NEW ZEALAND out of our [[the inclusive “our”]] celebration and commemoration of ANZAC Day.

    An anecdote for you:

    During the Viet-Nam War, gunners from the NZ Battery would come over to my unit for wine-tasting and symphony orchestra appreciation evenings and some of our blokes would go to their unit for similar cultural activities.

    Just after first light each morning, we would tumble out on parade. The SSM would call the roll and a sergeant would hand out an anti-malarial [Paludrin] tablet to each. The numbers were always correct …. even if on some mornings the name of a skinny fair Australian was answered “Sir!’ from the rear rank by a built-like-a-brick-latrine latter-day Hongahiki. By breakfast, everyone had gone back to their own units and had their Paludrin . Our SSM – and presumably the NZ BSM too – knew where everyone actually was and that they were in safe hands [though not necessarily without hangovers].

    Interaction between Aussie and Kiwi troops didn’t end when the First World War ended. :-)

  7. Dave Bath said

    Graham Bell
    If you are a Vietnam vet, you might be interested in this post a few days ago, about how the US gov (and our own gov by silence) is stopping epidemiologists going through the USVA’s data and discovering exactly what might be the consequences of Agent Orange (as well as the truth about Gulf War Syndrome). I hope you and your friends weren’t affected.

  8. Dave Bath said

    BTW: Kim at LarvatusProdeo is annoyed too, but her pingbacks don’t seem to be getting through.

  9. Graham Bell said

    David Bath:

    Nothing new. They’re just up to their old tricks again …. the trouble is, the world has changed and they haven’t so in trying to cover-up, they are delivering a powerful propaganda weapon to every potential enemy on Planet Earth.

    One of the factors in the cover-ups and denials used to be that the Yanks got their captured airmen back but still managed to diddle the North Vietnamese out of the four thousand million dollars in promised reconstruction aid. [Ransom? Who said ransom? We never called it ransom].
    Whenever the Vietnamese mentioned the bad effects of all the chemical agents used in their country, it was always seen by the Yanks as a form of Bad Debt Recovery, and they sure-as-hell weren’t paying now that their airmen were safely home. The Yanks knew from the outset that the chemical agents sold to the military were of a far lower quality than that sold for their own commercial use – apart from being inherently dangerous anyway.

    Here in Australia, attempts to cover-up led to the vicious attacks on Viet-Nam War veterans by renegade, Quisling, boot-licking “returned” servicemen [some of whom had actually served in South Viet-Nam themselves] and also by imitation “Anti-Communist” political figures – with all sorts of lurid gossip, dirty tricks, coercion and downright defamation.

    The Lysenko and Phlogiston Prize for Scientific Amazement has to go to the distinguished body that gave all the right answers on the chemical agents issue, the Evatt royal Commission. It is not uncommon for potential witness to flee a royal commission …. but that must have been the first ever royal commission to run away from witnesses!!! :-)

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