Christian cleric incites terrorism: prosecute him!
Posted by Dave Bath on 2009-02-10
UPDATED: Includes scary comments by readers of the 2008-11-11 "prophecy" blogpost by Nalliah
SEE ALSO NEW POST: Internet pastoral responsibilities of clerics: Nalliah and Trevor
The Christian Taliban claim the bushfires are a divine message, and thereby, by extension, that the arsonists are "messengers of the lord", and thus praiseworthy.
Given the way politicians and public have equated these arsonists to terrorists, how different is this from when a Islamist cleric talks of suicide bombers and matyrdom?
I think changes to law a year or so ago meant that it was possible to charge people for careless utterances that incited violence or terrorism… careless in the sense that you had not only to worry about what a reasonable person would infer from your words, but what a nutter would infer.
If this interpretation held up in court (any lawyers out there remember details??), then clerics like those at "Catch the Fire Ministries" should be at least charged with inciting terrorism the next time an arsonist is arrested and discovered to be Christian.
Will we see the tabloids saying Christians are anti-Australian and promoters of terrorism: why not? Christian Pentecostalists/Fundamentalists are the major growth demographic, at the expense of more liberal Christian theologies, and especially humanism. The Christian nutter sects are a far greater proportion of the Christian demographic than the Islamist nutter groups are among Islam (but less than the Zionist nutters are as a proportion of Judaists).
I don’t have much of a problem with Liberal Judaists, Sufi Moslems, Salvos, "Liberation Theology" Jesuits and Rowan Williams Anglicans. I do have a problem with the "Christian Taliban" like Pell, Jensen and the Fundies that uses a blinkered interpretation of scripture to push their own regressive and power-seeking agenda (and especially for the Pentecostalists, the financial agenda of the head honchoes) on liberal democratic societies as a whole.
If we go hard on Muslims because of a few immoderate clerics we should go hard on Christians because of their immoderate clerics.
Perhaps we should have some clear-cut guidelines to determine if a religious subgroup is of benefit or at least neutral to the principles of liberal democracies and separation of church and state (in which case, those subgroups ought to be permitted)… and those subgroups that advocate positions or act in ways that are damaging to our type of society, in which case, they ought to at least have tax concessions removed.
And now, stuff from the Catch The Fire website:
- "Abortion Laws to Blame for Bush Fires" from "Catch the Fire" Media Release (2009-02-10)
He said these bushfires have come as a result of the incendiary abortion laws which decimate life in the womb. … … unfortunately the “Decriminalization of Abortion bill” went through parliament and was passed, thus making many people call Victoria ‘the baby killing state of Australia,’” Mr Nalliah said. … The Bible is very clear, if you walk out of God’s protection and turn your back on Him, you are an open target for the devil to destroy.
- "Stop Press! Urgent prayer needed regarding Australia and especially the state of Victoria" (2008-11-07 a.k.a Nalliah’s "Prophecy Post") should be read, INCLUDING SOME OF THE COMMENTS. From the main post:
Then the scene changed and I saw fire everywhere with flames burning very high and uncontrollably. With this I awoke from my dream with the interpretation as the following words came to me in a flash from the Spirit of God, ‘My wrath is about to be released upon Australia, in particular Victoria, for approving the slaughter of the innocent children in the womb. Now, call on My people to repent and pray!’”
But some of the comments are much scarier: (my bolding)
The Indigenous people were conscious of the forces of evil and symbolically produced smoke to rid the area of the evil spirits. I sense that there will be a smoking ceremony produced by God on a massive scale to purify particularly the land and the people of Victoria until we collectively bow the knee. Anne 2008-11-11Fire will indeed come but not for the reason you have said. … (incoherent rant trimmed) … I will save you and not as an urchin from a house fire. When you see the fire I start you will smell your clothes and they will be fresh.
Nalliah should turn over to investigators details about scary comments: the IP numbers, emails, etc, and indicate whether ANY comments were expunged/moderated to cover himself, and assist recovering any such comments from caches, RSS feeds of comments, etc.
Indeed, having written software used for psych assessment in a clinical setting, albeit 20 years ago, and even further back, a psychiatry unit when a med student, Trevor looks like a deeply troubled individual IN MY LAY OPINION. If Nalliah had any sense of pastoral responsibility to his readers, he should at least have considered chasing Trevor up to see if help was warranted back in November. After the condemnation of Nalliah in the last few days, Nalliah should have gone through comments to such posts and offered assistance to investigators.
Others around the traps on the nutter "Bushfires a message from God" types:
- Grods Corp Discussion
- "Grandstanding Scumbags" from "Dave from Albury" (2009-02-10)
- "Forced-birther blames bushfires on abortion law reform" by Lauredhel at "Hoyden About Town" (2009-02-10)
- "‘Baby Cull’ Makes God Burn Children To Death" by Darryl Mason at "The Orstrahyun" (2009-02-10) – and does a good tie in to the way major politicians, not just the Fieldings, cosset up to the Christian Taliban
- "Religious fruitcake’s attempt at 15 minutes of fame" (2009-02-10) "Clarrie Rivers" at "North Coast Voices"
There is a group of articles on how the religious nutters should be treated, especially if they believe in miracles like this "Catch the Fire" idiot who claims to have raised someone from the dead through prayer (oooh, the theological significance of that, undermining the significance of Jesus), and how we secularists should set the "decent" Christians against the nutters.
- "Dawkins should promote quackery" (2008-05-12) argues that those who believe in miracle cures should be encouraged to use them rather than evidence-based medicine, rather than Richard Dawkin’s counterproductive railing against anti-scientific health treatment… social darwinism in a nice way!
- "Dawkins v God 1" (2007-05-28) criticises Dawkins for NOT being conciliatory enough to the liberal theologists who don’t claim infallibility
- "Dawkins v God 2" (2007-05-30) criticises Dawkins for not going at the hypocrisy of the Christian nutters rather than the simple idiocy of their views. The hypocrisy of our state in the way it indulgences Christian nutters amazes me.